diff --git a/addons/mail/static/src/components/chatter_topbar/chatter_topbar.xml b/addons/mail/static/src/components/chatter_topbar/chatter_topbar.xml
index d1bb0da2c86..094b05b32f5 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/src/components/chatter_topbar/chatter_topbar.xml
+++ b/addons/mail/static/src/components/chatter_topbar/chatter_topbar.xml
@@ -62,8 +62,6 @@
                                 <FollowerListMenu
                                     className="'o_ChatterTopbar_followerListMenu'"
                                     record="chatterTopbar.chatter.followerListMenuView"
-                                    thread="chatterTopbar.chatter.thread"
-                                    isChatterButton="true"
                                 />
                             </t>
                         </div>
diff --git a/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower/follower.js b/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower/follower.js
index 123e4772da5..05523b2e38b 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower/follower.js
+++ b/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower/follower.js
@@ -5,31 +5,16 @@ import { registerMessagingComponent } from '@mail/utils/messaging_component';
 const { Component } = owl;
 
 export class Follower extends Component {
-
-    //--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-    // Public
-    //--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
     /**
-     * @returns {Follower}
+     * @returns {FollowerView}
      */
-    get follower() {
-        return this.props.follower;
+    get followerView() {
+        return this.props.record;
     }
-
 }
 
 Object.assign(Follower, {
-    defaultProps: {
-        onClick: () => {},
-    },
-    props: {
-        follower: Object,
-        onClick: {
-            type: Function,
-            optional: true,
-        },
-    },
+    props: { record: Object },
     template: 'mail.Follower',
 });
 
diff --git a/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower/follower.xml b/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower/follower.xml
index 4f9cf41ca65..f2ba85cebd3 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower/follower.xml
+++ b/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower/follower.xml
@@ -2,17 +2,17 @@
 <templates xml:space="preserve">
 
     <t t-name="mail.Follower" owl="1">
-        <t t-if="follower">
-            <div class="o_Follower d-flex justify-content-between p-0" t-attf-class="{{ className }}" t-on-click="props.onClick" t-ref="root">
-                <a class="o_Follower_details d-flex align-items-center flex-grow-1 px-3 text-700" t-att-class="{ 'o-inactive font-italic opacity-25': !follower.isActive }" href="#" t-on-click="follower.onClickDetails">
-                    <img class="o_Follower_avatar me-2 rounded-circle" t-att-src="follower.partner.avatarUrl" alt="Avatar"/>
-                    <span class="o_Follower_name flex-shrink text-truncate" t-esc="follower.partner.nameOrDisplayName"/>
+        <t t-if="followerView">
+            <div class="o_Follower d-flex justify-content-between p-0" t-attf-class="{{ className }}" t-on-click="followerView.onClick" t-ref="root">
+                <a class="o_Follower_details d-flex align-items-center flex-grow-1 px-3 text-700" t-att-class="{ 'o-inactive font-italic opacity-25': !followerView.follower.isActive }" href="#" t-on-click="followerView.onClickDetails">
+                    <img class="o_Follower_avatar me-2 rounded-circle" t-att-src="followerView.follower.partner.avatarUrl" alt="Avatar"/>
+                    <span class="o_Follower_name flex-shrink text-truncate" t-esc="followerView.follower.partner.nameOrDisplayName"/>
                 </a>
-                <t t-if="follower.isEditable">
-                    <button class="o_Follower_button o_Follower_editButton btn btn-icon rounded-0" title="Edit subscription" t-on-click="follower.onClickEdit">
+                <t t-if="followerView.follower.isEditable">
+                    <button class="o_Follower_button o_Follower_editButton btn btn-icon rounded-0" title="Edit subscription" t-on-click="followerView.onClickEdit">
                         <i class="fa fa-pencil"/>
                     </button>
-                    <button class="o_Follower_button o_Follower_removeButton btn btn-icon rounded-0" title="Remove this follower" t-on-click="follower.onClickRemove">
+                    <button class="o_Follower_button o_Follower_removeButton btn btn-icon rounded-0" title="Remove this follower" t-on-click="followerView.onClickRemove">
                         <i class="fa fa-remove"/>
                     </button>
                 </t>
diff --git a/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower_list_menu/follower_list_menu.js b/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower_list_menu/follower_list_menu.js
index a80a9f67e0f..2093b9e2f4f 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower_list_menu/follower_list_menu.js
+++ b/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower_list_menu/follower_list_menu.js
@@ -36,13 +36,6 @@ export class FollowerListMenu extends Component {
         return this.props.record;
     }
 
-    /**
-     * @return {Thread}
-     */
-    get thread() {
-        return this.props.thread;
-    }
-
     //--------------------------------------------------------------------------
     // Handlers
     //--------------------------------------------------------------------------
@@ -54,7 +47,7 @@ export class FollowerListMenu extends Component {
     _onClickAddFollowers(ev) {
         ev.preventDefault();
         this.followerListMenuView.hide();
-        this.thread.promptAddPartnerFollower();
+        this.followerListMenuView.chatterOwner.thread.promptAddPartnerFollower();
     }
 
     /**
@@ -73,14 +66,7 @@ export class FollowerListMenu extends Component {
 }
 
 Object.assign(FollowerListMenu, {
-    defaultProps: {
-        isChatterButton: false,
-    },
-    props: {
-        thread: Object,
-        isChatterButton: { type: Boolean, optional: true },
-        record: Object,
-    },
+    props: { record: Object },
     template: 'mail.FollowerListMenu',
 });
 
diff --git a/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower_list_menu/follower_list_menu.xml b/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower_list_menu/follower_list_menu.xml
index cc8e6b1db75..066f93858b8 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower_list_menu/follower_list_menu.xml
+++ b/addons/mail/static/src/components/follower_list_menu/follower_list_menu.xml
@@ -2,33 +2,32 @@
 <templates xml:space="preserve">
 
     <t t-name="mail.FollowerListMenu" owl="1">
-        <t t-if="followerListMenuView and thread">
+        <t t-if="followerListMenuView">
             <div class="o_FollowerListMenu position-relative d-flex" t-attf-class="{{ className }}" t-on-keydown="followerListMenuView.onKeydown" t-ref="root">
                 <div class="o_FollowerListMenu_followers d-flex" t-ref="dropdown">
-                    <button class="o_FollowerListMenu_buttonFollowers btn btn-link" t-att-disabled="followerListMenuView.isDisabled" t-on-click="followerListMenuView.onClickFollowersButton" title="Show Followers" t-att-class="{ 'o_ChatterTopbar_button': props.isChatterButton }">
+                    <button class="o_FollowerListMenu_buttonFollowers o_ChatterTopbar_button btn btn-link" t-att-disabled="followerListMenuView.isDisabled" t-on-click="followerListMenuView.onClickFollowersButton" title="Show Followers">
                         <i class="fa fa-user"/>
-                        <span class="o_FollowerListMenu_buttonFollowersCount pl-1" t-esc="thread.followers.length"/>
+                        <span class="o_FollowerListMenu_buttonFollowersCount pl-1" t-esc="followerListMenuView.followerViews.length"/>
                     </button>
 
                     <t t-if="followerListMenuView.isDropdownOpen">
                         <div class="o_FollowerListMenu_dropdown dropdown-menu dropdown-menu-right flex-column d-flex" role="menu">
-                            <t t-if="thread.model !== 'channel' and thread.hasWriteAccess">
+                            <t t-if="followerListMenuView.chatterOwner.thread.model !== 'channel' and followerListMenuView.chatterOwner.thread.hasWriteAccess">
                                 <a class="o_FollowerListMenu_addFollowersButton dropdown-item" href="#" role="menuitem" t-on-click="_onClickAddFollowers">
                                     Add Followers
                                 </a>
-                                <t t-if="thread.followers.length > 0">
+                                <t t-if="followerListMenuView.followerViews.length > 0">
                                     <div role="separator" class="dropdown-divider"/>
                                 </t>
                             </t>
-                            <t t-if="thread.followers.length > 0">
+                            <t t-if="followerListMenuView.followerViews.length > 0">
                                 <Follower
-                                    t-foreach="thread.followers" t-as="follower" t-key="follower.localId"
+                                    t-foreach="followerListMenuView.followerViews" t-as="followerView" t-key="followerView.localId"
                                     className="'o_FollowerMenu_follower dropdown-item'"
-                                    follower="follower"
-                                    onClick="followerListMenuView.onClickFollower"
+                                    record="followerView"
                                 />
                             </t>
-                            <t t-elif="!thread.hasWriteAccess">
+                            <t t-elif="!followerListMenuView.chatterOwner.thread.hasWriteAccess">
                                 <div class="o_FollowerListMenu_noFollowers dropdown-item disabled">
                                     No Followers
                                 </div>
diff --git a/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower.js b/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower.js
index 5a0630a4de1..3d7ce147647 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower.js
+++ b/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower.js
@@ -46,27 +46,6 @@ registerModel({
         closeSubtypes() {
             this.update({ followerSubtypeListDialog: clear() });
         },
-        /**
-         * @param {MouseEvent} ev
-         */
-        onClickDetails(ev) {
-            ev.preventDefault();
-            ev.stopPropagation();
-            this.openProfile();
-        },
-        /**
-         * @param {MouseEvent} ev
-         */
-        onClickEdit(ev) {
-            ev.preventDefault();
-            this.showSubtypes();
-        },
-        /**
-         * @param {MouseEvent} ev
-         */
-        onClickRemove(ev) {
-            this.remove();
-        },
         /**
          * Opens the most appropriate view that is a profile for this follower.
          */
@@ -200,6 +179,10 @@ registerModel({
             inverse: 'followerOwnerAsSubtypeList',
             isCausal: true,
         }),
+        followerViews: many('FollowerView', {
+            inverse: 'follower',
+            isCausal: true,
+        }),
         id: attr({
             readonly: true,
             required: true,
diff --git a/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower_list_menu_view.js b/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower_list_menu_view.js
index a32adc29292..acac06f6a1c 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower_list_menu_view.js
+++ b/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower_list_menu_view.js
@@ -1,7 +1,8 @@
 /** @odoo-module **/
 
 import { registerModel } from '@mail/model/model_core';
-import { attr, one } from '@mail/model/model_field';
+import { attr, many, one } from '@mail/model/model_field';
+import { insertAndReplace, replace } from '@mail/model/model_field_command';
 
 registerModel({
     name: 'FollowerListMenuView',
@@ -10,12 +11,6 @@ registerModel({
         hide() {
             this.update({ isDropdownOpen: false });
         },
-        /**
-         * @param {MouseEvent} ev
-         */
-        onClickFollower(ev) {
-            this.hide();
-        },
         /**
          * @param {MouseEvent} ev
          */
@@ -34,6 +29,15 @@ registerModel({
                     break;
             }
         },
+        /**
+         * @private
+         * @returns {FieldCommand}
+         */
+        _computeFollowerViews() {
+            return insertAndReplace(this.chatterOwner.thread.followers.map(follower => {
+                return { follower: replace(follower) };
+            }));
+        },
         /**
          * @private
          * @returns {Boolean}
@@ -47,6 +51,11 @@ registerModel({
             inverse: 'followerListMenuView',
             readonly: true,
         }),
+        followerViews: many('FollowerView', {
+            compute: '_computeFollowerViews',
+            inverse: 'followerListMenuViewOwner',
+            isCausal: true,
+        }),
         isDisabled: attr({
             compute: '_computeIsDisabled',
         }),
diff --git a/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower_view.js b/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower_view.js
new file mode 100644
index 00000000000..8e47c63be83
--- /dev/null
+++ b/addons/mail/static/src/models/follower_view.js
@@ -0,0 +1,50 @@
+/** @odoo-module **/
+
+import { registerModel } from '@mail/model/model_core';
+import { one } from '@mail/model/model_field';
+
+registerModel({
+    name: 'FollowerView',
+    identifyingFields: ['followerListMenuViewOwner', 'follower'],
+    recordMethods: {
+        /**
+         * @param {MouseEvent} ev
+         */
+        onClick(ev) {
+            this.followerListMenuViewOwner.hide();
+        },
+        /**
+         * @param {MouseEvent} ev
+         */
+        onClickDetails(ev) {
+            ev.preventDefault();
+            ev.stopPropagation();
+            this.follower.openProfile();
+        },
+        /**
+         * @param {MouseEvent} ev
+         */
+        onClickEdit(ev) {
+            ev.preventDefault();
+            this.follower.showSubtypes();
+        },
+        /**
+         * @param {MouseEvent} ev
+         */
+        onClickRemove(ev) {
+            this.follower.remove();
+        },
+    },
+    fields: {
+        follower: one('Follower', {
+            inverse: 'followerViews',
+            readonly: true,
+            required: true,
+        }),
+        followerListMenuViewOwner: one('FollowerListMenuView', {
+            inverse: 'followerViews',
+            readonly: true,
+            required: true,
+        }),
+    },
+});
diff --git a/addons/mail/static/tests/helpers/mock_server.js b/addons/mail/static/tests/helpers/mock_server.js
index ab9cd3da64c..2df186cc7f6 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/tests/helpers/mock_server.js
+++ b/addons/mail/static/tests/helpers/mock_server.js
@@ -533,7 +533,9 @@ MockServer.include({
      * @returns {Object}
      */
     async _mockRouteMailThreadData(thread_model, thread_id, request_list) {
-        const res = {};
+        const res = {
+            'hasWriteAccess': true, // mimic user with write access by default
+        };
         const thread = this.pyEnv[thread_model].searchRead([['id', '=', thread_id]])[0];
         if (!thread) {
             console.warn(`mock server: reading data "${request_list}" from invalid thread "${thread_model}_${thread_id}"`);
diff --git a/addons/mail/static/tests/qunit_suite_tests/components/follower_tests.js b/addons/mail/static/tests/qunit_suite_tests/components/follower_tests.js
index 7a8f3bc1f82..a5828178ee7 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/tests/qunit_suite_tests/components/follower_tests.js
+++ b/addons/mail/static/tests/qunit_suite_tests/components/follower_tests.js
@@ -1,11 +1,7 @@
 /** @odoo-module **/
 
-import { insert, replace } from '@mail/model/model_field_command';
 import { makeDeferred } from '@mail/utils/deferred';
-import {
-    start,
-    startServer,
-} from '@mail/../tests/helpers/test_utils';
+import { start, startServer } from '@mail/../tests/helpers/test_utils';
 
 import Bus from 'web.Bus';
 
@@ -16,23 +12,30 @@ QUnit.module('follower_tests.js');
 QUnit.test('base rendering not editable', async function (assert) {
     assert.expect(5);
 
-    const { createRootMessagingComponent, messaging } = await start();
-
-    const thread = messaging.models['Thread'].create({
-        hasWriteAccess: false,
-        id: 100,
-        model: 'res.partner',
+    const pyEnv = await startServer();
+    const [threadId, partnerId] = pyEnv['res.partner'].create([{}, {}]);
+    pyEnv['mail.followers'].create({
+        is_active: true,
+        partner_id: partnerId,
+        res_id: threadId,
+        res_model: 'res.partner',
     });
-    const follower = await messaging.models['Follower'].create({
-        partner: insert({
-            id: 1,
-            name: "François Perusse",
-        }),
-        followedThread: replace(thread),
-        id: 2,
-        isActive: true,
+    const { click, createChatterContainerComponent } = await start({
+        async mockRPC(route, args) {
+            if (route === '/mail/thread/data') {
+                // mimic user without write access
+                const res = await this._super(...arguments);
+                res['hasWriteAccess'] = false;
+                return res;
+            }
+            return this._super(...arguments);
+        },
     });
-    await createRootMessagingComponent('Follower', { follower });
+    await createChatterContainerComponent({
+        threadId,
+        threadModel: 'res.partner',
+    });
+    await click('.o_FollowerListMenu_buttonFollowers');
     assert.containsOnce(
         document.body,
         '.o_Follower',
@@ -63,22 +66,20 @@ QUnit.test('base rendering not editable', async function (assert) {
 QUnit.test('base rendering editable', async function (assert) {
     assert.expect(6);
 
-    const { createRootMessagingComponent, messaging } = await start();
-    const thread = messaging.models['Thread'].create({
-        hasWriteAccess: true,
-        id: 100,
-        model: 'res.partner',
+    const pyEnv = await startServer();
+    const [threadId, partnerId] = pyEnv['res.partner'].create([{}, {}]);
+    pyEnv['mail.followers'].create({
+        is_active: true,
+        partner_id: partnerId,
+        res_id: threadId,
+        res_model: 'res.partner',
     });
-    const follower = await messaging.models['Follower'].create({
-        partner: insert({
-            id: 1,
-            name: "François Perusse",
-        }),
-        followedThread: replace(thread),
-        id: 2,
-        isActive: true,
+    const { click, createChatterContainerComponent } = await start();
+    await createChatterContainerComponent({
+        threadId,
+        threadModel: 'res.partner',
     });
-    await createRootMessagingComponent('Follower', { follower });
+    await click('.o_FollowerListMenu_buttonFollowers');
     assert.containsOnce(
         document.body,
         '.o_Follower',
@@ -114,14 +115,22 @@ QUnit.test('base rendering editable', async function (assert) {
 QUnit.test('click on partner follower details', async function (assert) {
     assert.expect(7);
 
+    const pyEnv = await startServer();
+    const [threadId, partnerId] = pyEnv['res.partner'].create([{}, {}]);
+    pyEnv['mail.followers'].create({
+        is_active: true,
+        partner_id: partnerId,
+        res_id: threadId,
+        res_model: 'res.partner',
+    });
     const openFormDef = makeDeferred();
     const bus = new Bus();
     bus.on('do-action', null, ({ action }) => {
             assert.step('do_action');
             assert.strictEqual(
                 action.res_id,
-                3,
-                "The redirect action should redirect to the right res id (3)"
+                partnerId,
+                "The redirect action should redirect to the right res id (partnerId)"
             );
             assert.strictEqual(
                 action.res_model,
@@ -135,24 +144,12 @@ QUnit.test('click on partner follower details', async function (assert) {
             );
             openFormDef.resolve();
     });
-    const pyEnv = await startServer();
-    const resPartnerId1 = pyEnv['res.partner'].create();
-    const { createRootMessagingComponent, messaging } = await start({ env: { bus } });
-    const thread = messaging.models['Thread'].create({
-        id: resPartnerId1,
-        model: 'res.partner',
+    const { click, createChatterContainerComponent } = await start({ env: { bus } });
+    await createChatterContainerComponent({
+        threadId,
+        threadModel: 'res.partner',
     });
-    const follower = await messaging.models['Follower'].create({
-        followedThread: replace(thread),
-        id: 2,
-        isActive: true,
-        partner: insert({
-            email: "bla@bla.bla",
-            id: messaging.currentPartner.id,
-            name: "François Perusse",
-        }),
-    });
-    await createRootMessagingComponent('Follower', { follower });
+    await click('.o_FollowerListMenu_buttonFollowers');
     assert.containsOnce(
         document.body,
         '.o_Follower',
@@ -176,14 +173,14 @@ QUnit.test('click on edit follower', async function (assert) {
     assert.expect(5);
 
     const pyEnv = await startServer();
-    const resPartnerId1 = pyEnv['res.partner'].create();
+    const [threadId, partnerId] = pyEnv['res.partner'].create([{}, {}]);
     pyEnv['mail.followers'].create({
         is_active: true,
-        partner_id: pyEnv.currentPartnerId,
-        res_id: resPartnerId1,
+        partner_id: partnerId,
+        res_id: threadId,
         res_model: 'res.partner',
     });
-    const { click, createRootMessagingComponent, messaging } = await start({
+    const { click, createChatterContainerComponent, messaging } = await start({
         async mockRPC(route, args) {
             if (route.includes('/mail/read_subscription_data')) {
                 assert.step('fetch_subtypes');
@@ -192,11 +189,15 @@ QUnit.test('click on edit follower', async function (assert) {
         },
     });
     const thread = messaging.models['Thread'].create({
-        id: resPartnerId1,
+        id: threadId,
         model: 'res.partner',
     });
     await thread.fetchData(['followers']);
-    await createRootMessagingComponent('Follower', { follower: thread.followers[0] });
+    await createChatterContainerComponent({
+        threadId,
+        threadModel: 'res.partner',
+    });
+    await click('.o_FollowerListMenu_buttonFollowers');
     assert.containsOnce(
         document.body,
         '.o_Follower',
@@ -224,8 +225,14 @@ QUnit.test('edit follower and close subtype dialog', async function (assert) {
     assert.expect(6);
 
     const pyEnv = await startServer();
-    const resPartnerId1 = pyEnv['res.partner'].create();
-    const { click, createRootMessagingComponent, messaging } = await start({
+    const [threadId, partnerId] = pyEnv['res.partner'].create([{}, {}]);
+    pyEnv['mail.followers'].create({
+        is_active: true,
+        partner_id: partnerId,
+        res_id: threadId,
+        res_model: 'res.partner',
+    });
+    const { click, createChatterContainerComponent } = await start({
         async mockRPC(route, args) {
             if (route.includes('/mail/read_subscription_data')) {
                 assert.step('fetch_subtypes');
@@ -241,21 +248,11 @@ QUnit.test('edit follower and close subtype dialog', async function (assert) {
             return this._super(...arguments);
         },
     });
-    const thread = messaging.models['Thread'].create({
-        id: resPartnerId1,
-        model: 'res.partner',
+    await createChatterContainerComponent({
+        threadId,
+        threadModel: 'res.partner',
     });
-    const follower = await messaging.models['Follower'].create({
-        followedThread: replace(thread),
-        id: 2,
-        isActive: true,
-        partner: insert({
-            email: "bla@bla.bla",
-            id: messaging.currentPartner.id,
-            name: "François Perusse",
-        }),
-    });
-    await createRootMessagingComponent('Follower', { follower });
+    await click('.o_FollowerListMenu_buttonFollowers');
     assert.containsOnce(
         document.body,
         '.o_Follower',