diff --git a/odoo/addons/test_new_api/tests/test_properties.py b/odoo/addons/test_new_api/tests/test_properties.py
index 158915ae7eb..445c656451e 100644
--- a/odoo/addons/test_new_api/tests/test_properties.py
+++ b/odoo/addons/test_new_api/tests/test_properties.py
@@ -92,7 +92,7 @@ class TestPropertiesMixin(TransactionCase):
             """, (message.id, ),
         )
         value = self.env.cr.fetchone()
-        self.assertTrue(value and value[0])
+        self.assertTrue(value)
         return value[0]
 
     def _get_sql_definition(self, discussion):
@@ -530,6 +530,51 @@ class PropertiesCase(TestPropertiesMixin):
             msg='Should not take the default value',
         )
 
+        # default value but no parent are set
+        record = self.env['test_new_api.message'].create({
+            'attributes': {'my_many2one': self.partner_2.id},
+        })
+        self.assertFalse(self._get_sql_properties(record))
+
+        # default value but the parent has no definition
+        self.discussion_1.attributes_definition = []
+        record = self.env['test_new_api.message'].create({
+            'discussion': self.discussion_1.id,
+            'attributes': {'my_many2one': self.partner_2.id},
+        })
+        self.assertFalse(self._get_sql_properties(record))
+
+        # default value but the parent has no definition and we create a new property
+        self.discussion_1.attributes_definition = []
+        record = self.env['test_new_api.message'].create({
+            'discussion': self.discussion_1.id,
+            'attributes': [{
+                'name': 'test',
+                'type': 'many2one',
+                'comodel': 'test_new_api.partner',
+                'default': self.partner_2.id,
+                'definition_changed': True,
+            }],
+        })
+        self.assertEqual(self._get_sql_properties(record), {'test': self.partner_2.id})
+
+        # default value, a parent is set and change the definition
+        record = self.env['test_new_api.message'].create({
+            'discussion': self.discussion_1.id,
+            'attributes': [{
+                'name': 'test',
+                'type': 'many2one',
+                'comodel': 'test_new_api.partner',
+                'default': self.partner_2.id,
+            }, {
+                'name': 'my_char',
+                'type': 'char',
+                'default': 'my char',
+                'definition_changed': True,
+            }],
+        })
+        self.assertEqual(self._get_sql_properties(record), {'my_char': 'my char', 'test': self.partner_2.id})
+
     def test_properties_field_read(self):
         """Test the behavior of the read method.
 
diff --git a/odoo/fields.py b/odoo/fields.py
index 0416886464a..3b230e0a8fe 100644
--- a/odoo/fields.py
+++ b/odoo/fields.py
@@ -3442,7 +3442,7 @@ class Properties(Field):
 
         if not values.get(self.definition_record):
             # container is not given in the value, can not find properties definition
-            return properties_values
+            return {}
 
         container_id = values[self.definition_record]
         if not isinstance(container_id, (int, BaseModel)):
@@ -3456,8 +3456,14 @@ class Properties(Field):
             container_id = env[container_model_name].browse(container_id)
 
         properties_definition = container_id[self.definition_record_field]
-        if not properties_definition:
-            return properties_values
+        if not (properties_definition or (
+            isinstance(properties_values, list)
+            and any(d.get('definition_changed') for d in properties_values)
+        )):
+            # If a parent is set without properties, we might want to change its definition
+            # when we create the new record. But if we just set the value without changing
+            # the definition, in that case we can just ignored the passed values
+            return {}
 
         assert isinstance(properties_values, (list, dict))
         if isinstance(properties_values, list):