diff --git a/addons/mail/static/src/core/common/thread.js b/addons/mail/static/src/core/common/thread.js
index 813c4f8a4f3..1f134e73dc1 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/src/core/common/thread.js
+++ b/addons/mail/static/src/core/common/thread.js
@@ -116,7 +116,7 @@ export class Thread extends Component {
                 if (this.props.jumpPresent !== this.lastJumpPresent) {
                     this.messageHighlight?.clearHighlight();
                     if (this.props.thread.loadNewer) {
-                        this.jumpToPresent("instant");
+                        this.jumpToPresent();
                     } else {
                         if (this.props.order === "desc") {
                             this.scrollableRef.el.scrollTop = 0;
@@ -368,14 +368,11 @@ export class Thread extends Component {
         this.threadService.fetchMoreMessages(this.props.thread);
     }
 
-    async jumpToPresent(behavior) {
+    async jumpToPresent() {
         this.messageHighlight?.clearHighlight();
         await this.threadService.loadAround(this.props.thread);
         this.props.thread.loadNewer = false;
-        this.present.el?.scrollIntoView({
-            behavior: behavior ?? (this.props.order === "asc" ? "smooth" : "instant"), // FIXME somehow smooth not working in desc mode
-            block: "center",
-        });
+        this.props.thread.scrollTop = this.props.order === "desc" ? 0 : "bottom";
         this.state.showJumpPresent = false;
     }
 
diff --git a/addons/mail/static/tests/discuss_app/jump_to_present_tests.js b/addons/mail/static/tests/discuss_app/jump_to_present_tests.js
index 5c75c95d784..54963ccb2bd 100644
--- a/addons/mail/static/tests/discuss_app/jump_to_present_tests.js
+++ b/addons/mail/static/tests/discuss_app/jump_to_present_tests.js
@@ -5,18 +5,12 @@ import { startServer } from "@bus/../tests/helpers/mock_python_environment";
 import { PRESENT_THRESHOLD } from "@mail/core/common/thread";
 import { start } from "@mail/../tests/helpers/test_utils";
 
-import { patchWithCleanup } from "@web/../tests/helpers/utils";
-import { click, contains, scroll } from "@web/../tests/utils";
+import { click, contains, insertText, scroll } from "@web/../tests/utils";
+import { SIZES, patchUiSize } from "../helpers/patch_ui_size";
 
 QUnit.module("jump to present");
 
 QUnit.test("Basic jump to present when scrolling to outdated messages", async (assert) => {
-    // make scroll behavior instantaneous.
-    patchWithCleanup(Element.prototype, {
-        scrollIntoView() {
-            return super.scrollIntoView(true);
-        },
-    });
     const pyEnv = await startServer();
     const channelId = pyEnv["discuss.channel"].create({ name: "General" });
     for (let i = 0; i < 20; i++) {
@@ -28,7 +22,7 @@ QUnit.test("Basic jump to present when scrolling to outdated messages", async (a
         });
     }
     const { openDiscuss } = await start();
-    openDiscuss(channelId);
+    await openDiscuss(channelId);
     await contains(".o-mail-Message", { count: 20 });
     await contains(".o-mail-Thread");
     assert.ok(
@@ -46,13 +40,41 @@ QUnit.test("Basic jump to present when scrolling to outdated messages", async (a
     await contains(".o-mail-Thread", { scroll: "bottom" });
 });
 
-QUnit.test("Jump to old reply should prompt jump to presence", async () => {
-    // make scroll behavior instantaneous.
-    patchWithCleanup(Element.prototype, {
-        scrollIntoView() {
-            return super.scrollIntoView(true);
-        },
-    });
+QUnit.test(
+    "Basic jump to present when scrolling to outdated messages (chatter, DESC)",
+    async (assert) => {
+        patchUiSize({ size: SIZES.XXL });
+        const pyEnv = await startServer();
+        const partnerId = pyEnv["res.partner"].create({ name: "Demo User" });
+        for (let i = 0; i < 20; i++) {
+            pyEnv["mail.message"].create({
+                body: "Non Empty Body ".repeat(100),
+                message_type: "comment",
+                model: "res.partner",
+                res_id: partnerId,
+            });
+        }
+        const { openFormView } = await start();
+        await openFormView("res.partner", partnerId);
+        await contains(".o-mail-Message", { count: 20 });
+        await contains(".o-mail-Thread");
+        assert.ok(
+            document.querySelector(".o-mail-Thread").scrollHeight > PRESENT_THRESHOLD,
+            "should have enough scroll height to trigger jump to present"
+        );
+        await contains(".o-mail-Chatter", { scroll: 0 });
+        await scroll(".o-mail-Chatter", "bottom");
+        await contains(".o-mail-Chatter", { text: "You're viewing older messagesJump to Present" });
+        await click(".o-mail-Thread-jumpPresent");
+        await contains(".o-mail-Thread", {
+            count: 0,
+            text: "You're viewing older messagesJump to Present",
+        });
+        await contains(".o-mail-Chatter", { scroll: 0 });
+    }
+);
+
+QUnit.test("Jump to old reply should prompt jump to present", async () => {
     const pyEnv = await startServer();
     const channelId = pyEnv["discuss.channel"].create({ name: "General" });
     const oldestMessageId = pyEnv["mail.message"].create({
@@ -82,14 +104,104 @@ QUnit.test("Jump to old reply should prompt jump to presence", async () => {
         parent_id: oldestMessageId,
     });
     const { openDiscuss } = await start();
-    openDiscuss(channelId);
+    await openDiscuss(channelId);
     await contains(".o-mail-Message", { count: 30 });
     await click(".o-mail-MessageInReply .cursor-pointer");
     await contains(".o-mail-Message", { count: 16 });
     await contains(":nth-child(1 of .o-mail-Message)", { text: "Hello world!" });
-    await contains(".o-mail-Thread", { text: "You're viewing older messagesJump to Present" });
+    await contains(".o-mail-Thread-jumpPresent");
     await click(".o-mail-Thread-jumpPresent");
     await contains(".o-mail-Thread-jumpPresent", { count: 0 });
     await contains(".o-mail-Message", { count: 30 });
     await contains(".o-mail-Thread", { scroll: "bottom" });
 });
+
+QUnit.test("Jump to old reply should prompt jump to present (RPC small delay)", async () => {
+    // same test as before but with a small RPC delay
+    const pyEnv = await startServer();
+    const channelId = pyEnv["discuss.channel"].create({ name: "General" });
+    const oldestMessageId = pyEnv["mail.message"].create({
+        body: "<p>Hello world!</p>",
+        model: "discuss.channel",
+        res_id: channelId,
+    });
+    for (let i = 0; i < 100; i++) {
+        pyEnv["mail.message"].create({
+            body: "<p>Non Empty Body</p>".repeat(100),
+            message_type: "comment",
+            model: "discuss.channel",
+            /**
+             * The first message following the oldest message should have it as its parent message
+             * so that the oldest message is inserted through the parent field during "load around"
+             * to have the coverage of this part of the code (in particular having parent message
+             * body being inserted with markup).
+             */
+            parent_id: i === 0 ? oldestMessageId : undefined,
+            res_id: channelId,
+        });
+    }
+    pyEnv["mail.message"].create({
+        body: "Most Recent!",
+        model: "discuss.channel",
+        res_id: channelId,
+        parent_id: oldestMessageId,
+    });
+    const { openDiscuss } = await start({
+        async mockRPC(route, args) {
+            if (route === "/discuss/channel/messages") {
+                await new Promise(setTimeout); // small delay
+            }
+        },
+    });
+    await openDiscuss(channelId);
+    await contains(".o-mail-Message", { count: 30 });
+    await click(".o-mail-MessageInReply .cursor-pointer");
+    await contains(".o-mail-Thread-jumpPresent");
+    await click(".o-mail-Thread-jumpPresent");
+    await contains(".o-mail-Thread-jumpPresent", { count: 0 });
+    await contains(".o-mail-Thread", { scroll: "bottom" });
+});
+
+QUnit.test("Post message when seeing old message should jump to present", async () => {
+    const pyEnv = await startServer();
+    const channelId = pyEnv["discuss.channel"].create({ name: "General" });
+    const oldestMessageId = pyEnv["mail.message"].create({
+        body: "<p>Hello world!</p>",
+        model: "discuss.channel",
+        res_id: channelId,
+    });
+    for (let i = 0; i < 100; i++) {
+        pyEnv["mail.message"].create({
+            body: "<p>Non Empty Body</p>".repeat(100),
+            message_type: "comment",
+            model: "discuss.channel",
+            /**
+             * The first message following the oldest message should have it as its parent message
+             * so that the oldest message is inserted through the parent field during "load around"
+             * to have the coverage of this part of the code (in particular having parent message
+             * body being inserted with markup).
+             */
+            parent_id: i === 0 ? oldestMessageId : undefined,
+            res_id: channelId,
+        });
+    }
+    pyEnv["mail.message"].create({
+        body: "Most Recent!",
+        model: "discuss.channel",
+        res_id: channelId,
+        parent_id: oldestMessageId,
+    });
+    const { openDiscuss } = await start();
+    await openDiscuss(channelId);
+    await contains(".o-mail-Message", { count: 30 });
+    await click(".o-mail-MessageInReply .cursor-pointer");
+    await contains(".o-mail-Thread-jumpPresent");
+    await insertText(".o-mail-Composer-input", "Newly posted");
+    await click(".o-mail-Composer button:enabled", { text: "Send" });
+    await contains(".o-mail-Thread-jumpPresent", { count: 0 });
+    await contains(".o-mail-Thread", { scroll: "bottom" });
+    await contains(".o-mail-Message-content", {
+        text: "Newly posted",
+        after: [".o-mail-Message-content", { text: "Most Recent!" }], // should load around present
+    });
+});